Need help with my comp build

Thread in 'Hardware / Gaming Gear' started by Leonhart, Aug 30, 2013.

  1. Leonhart

    Leonhart Advanced Member

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    Hey guys, as some of yall know i lack the computer skills that even kids have these days have and was hoping for some input and advice as to why i cant run MWO on complete max settings. Ive run 4 different benchmarks and done some intense research but cant come up with anything.

    So this is what i'm using:

    Windows 7 ultimate edition

    Ben-Q 2420T 120hertz 3-D monitor

    WDC WD6400AAkS-22A7B2 ATA device Disk Drive

    Corsair HX850watt power supply

    AMD FX-6100 Six-core Processor

    EVGA Geforce GTX 670 Superclocked graphics card

    Phanteks PH-TC14PE 140mm UFB (Updraft Floating Balance) CPU Cooler - heat sink

    Creative Sound Blaster Z 70SB150000000 5.1 Channels PCI Express (x1, x4 or x16) Interface Sound Card

    CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9R - Have 4 sticks totaling 16GB

    GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

    I think i've got everything here aside from my headphones, mouse, keyboard and speakers. I can list those as well but i didnt think those would affect my graphics output. I really have no idea why im not just going beastmode on any damn game of my choosing or even 3 at the same time. ANY help would be appreciated. I've spent over a year and more than $2000 to finally get this thing at this level and i still feel that it under performs.
     
  2. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    What all are you expecting your machine to do? I run a EVGA 560 Ti 440 and it handles MWO at 55-60 FPS on VERY HIGH.
     
  3. The Verge

    The Verge Moderator Staff Member

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    This game currently uses more CPU power than GPU power. So the faster your CPU is, the better your video quality is. Your CPU has a Turbo speed of 3.9 GHz, and that is only when you have it enabled as an option. If you disable it, and overclock the CPU, then you can easily get it to 4.1 or 4.4 GHz; if you have the proper cooling(which you do, possible with that air cooler). It's going to be harder to do that, as you have no prior experience inside the BIOS, and you could damage your components if you don't have high enough air flow(show me your case!). If you want to overclock your processor, you have to know how each speed setting affects the speed of any and all parts inside the computer. I recommend installing AMD's tool to let you know how stable your CPU is so you have a base line to start with. It will also keep track of all of your Temps in the Computer while you stress test it.

    http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/amd-overdrive/Pages/overview.aspx
     
  4. Leonhart

    Leonhart Advanced Member

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    Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Case

    That's the case, knew i was forgetting something. And superclocking my own stuff scares the hell out of me. I dont know near enough about this stuff to venture out and want to do that on my own...not after ive invested so much into it.

    I expect my machine to run any and all games flawlessly. That MWO doesnt use all settings/max settings, and that ,very rarely, Tomb Raider and Splinter Cell Blacklist will all of a sudden start fucking up on the graphics department is unacceptable. I Get weird colors or giant grayed triangles that fill up my screen. My FPS isnt an issue, its mostly all visual graphics that tend to mess up or I cant use certain options in the first place.
     
  5. Lan

    Lan Mech Wrangler

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    I presume you have the latest GPU drivers already? Can you find out which version you have now, so we can research if there are known issues with MwO or cryengine?
     
  6. Leonhart

    Leonhart Advanced Member

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    All my drivers have been updated yes. I even double checked today before i posted this.

    Current driver im using is Geforce 320.49

    The more and more i look into everything, im starting to think my processor just isnt as up to snuff as i thought it was.
     
  7. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    I've heard MWO has issues with AMD stuff. At least when running AVAST lol

    I run a higher end i7 so that could def explain the no issue graphics I get.
     
  8. Leonhart

    Leonhart Advanced Member

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    Thats very interesting because im also using avast...not sure how an anti-virus would effect my graphics though..
     
  9. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    It doesn't. But I think MWO wasn't running or was crashing all the time for people with that combo
     
  10. The Verge

    The Verge Moderator Staff Member

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    I think AVAST uses too much CPU priority on systems. If you stop that proccess, you might be able to get a better frame rate.
     
  11. Leonhart

    Leonhart Advanced Member

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    which do yall use or think is better?
     
  12. The Verge

    The Verge Moderator Staff Member

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    bit defender is number one right now on most reviewers spots. AVG is second. Either is free, and work quite well. Ad-Aware is a good compliment to either, and is also free.
     
  13. Lan

    Lan Mech Wrangler

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    I'm using Microsoft Security Essentials, it's not the best but it's free, unobtrusive and reasonably quick to get the updates. I stay away from any and all suspect software anyways so my risks are minimized.

    Just how many FPS are you achieving ingame?

    If you really want to know what's happening you can try to run this software: http://www.hwinfo.com/download.php

    It's a little bit advanced but it will show you which hardware is hitting max, if you start the logg function it will save a running log to file and you can monitor over time (playing a full round for example).

    Edit: I googled and searched a bit of forums but there's nothing specific regarding that driver and cryengine/MwO etc.
     
  14. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    I use this combined with MalywareBytes
     
  15. Lan

    Lan Mech Wrangler

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    Yeah, I do too. And I run adblockers in my browsers.
     
  16. Marec

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    There was a launcher crash issue that might happen if you were running AMD and Avast. The fix for it was to go to Avast Options -> Error handling (probably, mine isn't in English - it's right at the bottom of the list) and deselect "hardware support for virtual machines".
    MWO launcher worked fine ever since for me.

    I've been thinking - a while back, I read that Dual Core processors actually perform better for gaming than Quad Cores. Maybe the same is true here. Multi-Core CPUs only perform better if the software is making use of them. That's an issue I had on my job this week when I was testing a new hardware platform with our software. It runs smooth until you try to look at a vector schematics, then the entire thing turns into a slideshow. But not all the machine, you can make a screenshot, alt-tab out, work it in "paint", save it, all real smooth, alt-tab back and watch the vector file still slo-move to commands you entered a minute ago.
    What gave it away in my case was a look at the resource monitor (CTRL-SHIFT-ESC), 1 of the 4 cores was up to 100% and staying right there, while the other 3 cores were more or less at idle.

    Another thing I read this week was regarding SKYRIM. Apparently the game crashes if it becomes larger than approximately 3.1 GB (it can happen with heavily modded games and large highres texture files) - 3.1 GB, to me that sounds like 3 GB of reserved RAM, 1 GB reserved for the Video card - thats 4 GB, exactly what a 32bit OS can address.
    If you're looking at the MWO shortcut's options, it connects to ...\Bin32\MechWarriorOnline.exe.
    So, 32bit here as well.

    So my long shot guess here would be: Since Mechwarrior is supposed to run on 32bit machines as well as 64bit ones, maybe it never uses more than 4GB either. In that case, if you're running a setting that exceeds this, the programm will probably do something weird ... crash, start to create stacks to work off, those kind of things.

    It would be interesting to ask Piranha what the highest setting is that they ever tested successfully. And don't say "well they probably tested max settings" ... I make my living testing software for a global player, and I live well because Devs will write their code all the time with one or other assumption what "will work for sure ... 99% sure" :rofl:
     
  17. ZXeno

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    The artifacting in other games makes it sound like a heat issue. Do you ever get that artifacting in MWO?

    What framerate are you seeing while in-game? This can give some hints as to what's going on as well.

    What software do you typically keep running in the background? We all know, but some software has a negative effect when it seemingly shouldn't (AV software included). (edit clarification:: I already know you're running Avast. I'm asking about potential other software).


    If anyone is wondering, I work in IT and have been squeezing performance out of my games for ~15 years. So that's my source citation. :phear:
     
  18. Leonhart

    Leonhart Advanced Member

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    Sorry to leave yall hanging as long as i did. Im pretty sure its the damn processor. Considering its still a good one and no other games i have seem to have CPU issues either, its probably not worth replacing.

    As for background stuff...not much. maybe steam if anything or my anti-virus. Switched to AVG. my FPS is somewhere around 30 typically until the shit starts hittin the fan.
     
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