[FEEDBACK] New Raven Hero Mech

Thread in 'MechWarrior Online' started by Michael, Mar 31, 2014.

Do you like the new Raven Hero?

  1. Yes, loving it!

    3 vote(s)
    7.1%
  2. No, it is garbage

    23 vote(s)
    54.8%
  3. No, it needs tweaking (explain)

    10 vote(s)
    23.8%
  4. Don't care; I don't pilot lights

    6 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. Skringly

    Skringly Junior Member

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    I've been waiting for a Hero Raven and I'm so disappointed with this mech. It looks like people have already lined up the 'best' builds for it.

    So might as well do more 'four teh lulz' builds.

    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=148&l=4025afb1d6b2d77fc1ccd3a74b539a6fa9c8e2e4
     
  2. enileph

    enileph Star Lord

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    Lve the 2xSRM4 and it is working quite well, haven't shelled out for the +A yet. Maybe after I do enough test with the LRM15 version also.
    I was running my KTO-20 with 3x SRM6+A. KTO-19 can only fit 3x SRM6+A anyways, the on in CT has to be SRM4+A, which is waste of a ton as SRM4 is accurate enough on its own. I know you can do 3x SRM6+A on a CN9 zombie hugger, but this one has better Bean weaponary.
    My KTO-19 is 4x SRM4, and it works quite well actually.
    The only Streaktaro I use is obviously KTO-18, but that's a whole different story (gtfo if you want to complain about cheese builds, you know who you are).

    [quote author=Blagg Zear link=topic=6152.msg40114#msg40114 date=1396390447]
    Some Ideas to give this Chicken a bit Range Firepower:
    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=148&l=2d64b1985903c24fa8213c98d8a4358cbab94fea
    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=148&l=29fd3c227c5f63b30995a0965cffc8ffcae5dc5a
    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=148&l=2c2d66697b711bfe32ea9b6f1d206abf188a04b2
    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=148&l=fc6ff77696c8898e66105c18245887beace22aee
    What do you say? :rolleyes:
    [/quote]
    Use it on a 4X, then you can have the option to get a backup MLas, and more JJ. And yes, many of these are done with the 4X already. In fact, there are some usable builds even. (you can even change the build to PPC and it will work, just downgrade to AC2)
    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=35&l=e18cea32e9b97da83e3218bb9d392185b78f6341

    [quote author=Skringly link=topic=6152.msg40146#msg40146 date=1396426416]
    I've been waiting for a Hero Raven and I'm so disappointed with this mech. It looks like people have already lined up the 'best' builds for it.
    So might as well do more 'four teh lulz' builds.
    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=148&l=4025afb1d6b2d77fc1ccd3a74b539a6fa9c8e2e4
    [/quote]

    Upgrade your engine to an XL255 if you have one, tiny bit of extra speed with no weight increase.
     
  3. Thibideau Osis

    Thibideau Osis Star Lord

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    Hail,

    Numbers on the servers must be low, saw many of you last night on a regular basis and oddly they only had a 3 map rotation last night that I managed to get.

    This Raven is a total pass for me, was excited to hear of the release then read the detail.

    Seyla,
     
  4. John McFianna

    John McFianna Active Member

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    Misses 1-2 of the following:

    a) 2 more Missile Hardpoints for 2 each side.
    b) ECM
    c) a single energy hardpoint (CT?) for TAG or a Laser

    I wish i could get the Skin for my 3L...
     
  5. Damonwolf

    Damonwolf New Member

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    This!

    I love my 3L, but this PoS is an inferior 4x. Like many others, I was waiting for the Raven Hero...and extremely disappointed and sadened.
     
  6. Skringly

    Skringly Junior Member

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    Ahh, good spot thanks. So this would be the finished build. :p Still comes off as a joke.

    http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=148&l=979964be7d978d62cb50e70e5c035e1065bb20fe
     
  7. Cattra Kell

    Cattra Kell Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys, Cattra here.
    Unofficial official pretend real life troll & part time shill

    Needs a buff as I said before. Core concept is alright. I can dig an ammo dependent variant, its different. What it needs though is either of the following;

    1 Energy slot CT
    -OR-
    ECM
    -OR-
    2 more ballistic in arms (total of 6)
    -OR-
    2 more missile slots in torsos

    other then that its fine.

    I think a combo of ECM + Laser hard point would actually start the calls of OP from a good number due to the fact that it could be perceived then better then the 3L due to the JJ's - so it would have to be one or the other if you add ECM or Laser.

    ECM + Missiles could be interesting but perhaps limit it to 1 other missile slot then 2 instead.

    ECM + 2 more MG's - this could be fun!

    My Canadian mandatory rounded up 5 cents
     
  8. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    Give it a single energy hard point + ECM and it isn't better than the 3L. Seems even Steven to me. Prevents you from running around with a Jumpy ECM Super Chicken build (2x ERLLas, ECM, JJ etc). Basically you trade some of your punch power for the jump jets and honestly that is a pretty fair trade. Hell even if they did want to mount a single Medium Laser to go with the MGs you still have to close within 270 for your optimal range and bring all your guns to bear. That is nowhere near the versatility of the 3L and anyone who calls that OP would never be happy no matter what was given to us.

    OR

    Just make a 3L Hero variant. The Jenner, Atlas, Hunchback and Catapult all have founders editions which get a CBill bonus but are no better or worse than the production variants.

    Regardless of what they do, they need to do SOMETHING. While this poll isn't the official forums it is pretty representative of a specific player mindset and that mindset isn't happy at all. The amount of money they make on this versus what they spent versus what their projected income on it was will not line up I can almost guarantee that.
     
  9. Cpt Chattahah

    Cpt Chattahah Min-Max Maniac

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    Cattra, I can agree with this completely. As it stands, it really is hard to swallow that this is a paid mech. It's almost pay to lose! :unsure: However, if it was able to tote 6xMG and some SRMs, OR had ECM, I could see somewhat more use. Honestly, I think a single CT energy hardpoint and ECM would be perfect. You can't SuperChicken w/ Dual ERLL like a 3L, but, you can use that ECM to get in close enough to make SRMs viable.

    It's pretty nasty having a slow moving projectile system that needs to be within 270 to even strike. Without energy backup or ECM cover, that gets quite difficult. If we're just going for the "information gathering scout" premise, then I would rather have a Locust. YEAH! I SAID IT! A FREAKIN' LOCUST! ;) (more likely a 3L or SDR-5D for Tag ability)

    Just feels like the RVN-H needs something more to make it somewhat competitive.

    I agree, a Hero 3L would herald cries for Pay-to-Win. It's an extremely effective mech that would be pretty insane with a C-Bill bonus. However, limit that 3L to one Energy and throw some Missile hardpoints? I might just be sold.
     
  10. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    See I don't understand why everyone is crying "pay to win" for a hero 3L. If you don't have premium time but someone else does is that pay to win? A Hero 3L is no better or no worse than a production variant in terms of capability. So what, it gets a cbill bonus. So does everyone who has premium time.
     
  11. Cpt Chattahah

    Cpt Chattahah Min-Max Maniac

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    I totally understand what you're saying, Mason, and, I agree.

    However, you KNOW the main forums will bitch if a mech (when properly piloted) can easily net such high numbers can then be used with a Hero bonus to farm C-Bills like a MONSTER! :D

    To paraphrase Dr. Ian Malcom... "But, bitching... always finds a way." :rofl:

    I certainly would be no more powerful than a 3L we bought with C-Bills, however, with Premium Time and Hero bonus, I may see my first victory of the day over $500k! ;)

    PS: Work is boring. Thank you, Mechspecs, for helping me waste some time!
     
  12. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    Ok ok ok I digress :D
     
  13. Cattra Kell

    Cattra Kell Well-Known Member

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    Stat wise - its the same and shouldn't be a problem. The problem comes from customer perception - if they make "hero" 3L then somehow the normal 3L is now not as efficient for some magical reason or in some magical way - it could be 100% the same yet the "Hero" version will be branded Pay 2 Win by a very vocal group of players.
     
  14. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    I need to get back in my Founders Hunchie and my Founders Jenner and run around screaming "P2W Bitches!!!! P2W" when I kill someone.
     
  15. Cpt Chattahah

    Cpt Chattahah Min-Max Maniac

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    LOL - My boss just looked at me like I'm a moron and asked what was so damn funny.
     
  16. Cattra Kell

    Cattra Kell Well-Known Member

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    The sad thing is - I bet people would believe you...

    Remember when founders first came out and went - and people got upset they couldn't buy them anymore so then they said the founders were OP for like, a month before they smartened the fuck up.
     
  17. Solahma

    Solahma Star Lord

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    I scream "pay to win" in my 3 gauss Ilya :phear:
     
  18. Daekar

    Daekar Junior Member

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    I think Cattra hit it on the head. Any of those changes would make it acceptable. The easiest one from a dev standpoint (since it requires no model changes) would be to add ECM and be done with it. I'm actually a bit afraid of the 6 ballistic hardpoint suggestion though... that might, ironically, be OP. Not sure. If we're adding hardpoints I'd rather see the energy HP in the CT and ECM. Either way, it needs something. I'd be happy with any of them, in the end.
     
  19. Michael

    Michael Grand Poobah

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    Just when I think I'm out, they pull me right back in!

    If they did the following...

    290 Max Engine (3L is 295)
    4x JJ Max (3L has none)
    ECM (Same as 3L)
    2 Missile Hardpoint (3L has 2)
    2 Ballistic Hardpoint (3L has 0)
    1 Energy Hardpoint (3L has 3)

    You trade a little speed *AND* an energy hardpoint for the Jump Jets and ECM. Not as powerful as the 3L in terms of energy boating but it will fill many different roles (PPC Sniper, TAG support, ERLLas sniper, Scout etc.)

    I would buy it by the time I was done reading this post and I would bet a good many other people would too.

    Not quiet as powerful as the 3L
     
  20. Remarius

    Remarius Star Lord

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    Can't understand why you keep bringing up Premium time as its irrelevant to the quality of a mech and in no way effects it at all. We're comparing mech qualities .... premium time is something totally separate. ;)

    Personally I think the current hero raven is as close as PTL as you can get and I'm going to pray they upgrade it. Luckily I'm steadily going through the heavies and assaults to finish them all off so I can confine it to the same fate as my locusts... unplayed.

    I say that despite liking and doing well in the oxide that people constantly complain about.
     
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