Hi all, I was just playing around with a 5M and wondered about people's thoughts. I haven't played yet and I know an XL engine isn't everyone's cup of tea for a Stalker, but just testing out an idea: fire off all the LRM ammo when you get chances, even if it's just for speculative shots/targets of opportunity and area denial. Might do damage, or get people to clump together for other friendlies to kill? Could swap a Beagle Active Probe for the Anti-Missile System+shells and/or the Medium Laser for a Double Heat Sink / LRM / TAG ammunition if preferred. Grateful for feedback.
you probably not be grateful for this. it's a poor build, due to the chassis. LRM boat this is not. XL engine in a Stalker is a bad idea. Wider side torso's than a barn door. Run it as such, and this might be viable, due to it's cooler running temps.
Not a problem, thankful for the reply. I just don't know what will or won't work (and I'm not prideful at all). It wasn't supposed to be a LRM boat as such, it was more of a 4 Large Laser mech, but with Catapult-ish LRM capability, but I do see what you mean.
I agree with Vergere. For an LRM Boat you have too little Pods, though you can go larger Pods. You have too little Ammo. For an Assault LRM Boat thats very poor. Look at my LRM Boat Build. It is far superior to yours. Why should you go for an inferior build?? To save C-Bills? Not really if you lose almost every match with a poor build. For a Brawler you have a poor Cool Efficiency. After latest Patch you cant Alpha more than 2 LLas without Penalty. So you cant evem fire much with all your Lasers together for an agressive Brawl. Rework your build pls (maybe upgrade the LRMs to big ones to make this build more LRM Boat) or go for a Mix of LRM/SRM Pods by downgrading the Lasers. Blagg p.s. isnt one of the missile pods a 1'tube (Narc) ---> stream of 1'Missiles?
I have to agree regarding fitting an XL engine to a stalker. Although I have no practical experience with the game, I've seen plenty of chassis breakdown and ride-along videos to know that the side torsos on a Stalker are rather big. The 5M isn't the best Stalker chassis for an LRM boat, due to it's limited number of launch tubes. If you're still set on using it in the support role, have a look at my 5M build. It's a little specialised, but should get the job done.
Thanks for the feedback. I've tried a re-work of this with much better heat and which should also avoid the increased heat penalty as it only has 2 big lasers: As before, it's not supposed to be a "LRM boat", I was trying to make it more of a "sniper with LRMs" (hence not as much ammo as most builds).
I think this new build you have could do both quite well, but only if you can stay at the edge of the fight. or, if your being protected. 3-5 stars for that new build.
Well, my take is that you'll want the LRMs to be in the slots where they will all come out in one volley. And you'll want more ammo. A few tweaks on that second build and you have a force to be reckoned with. I moved the LRMs to crits where you have appropriate tubes, dropped the PPC for another LLas (no min range, no splash damage, less heat, only lose 1 point of damage) and added ammo. Comes out like this. Ammo to keep up for a decent amount of time, better close support, also, AMS ammo does FAR less damage if it explodes, so I put that in a ST and moved the extra ton of LRM ammo to the head where it's less likely to blow. Personally, I like the concept. I almost exclusively run XLs. I don't care if I die, I want to bring as much hurt to a fight as I can! Good concept, with some tweaking, I think it's a very viable build. Just ignore all these XL haters! Chatt.
For your mods to the build Cpt, I almost want to rate it 4-5, But I will not. XL's are good, but if you can keep at range. Stalkers are just too slow, so it's not really worth it.
Thanks for changing the LRM's around, Cpt Chattahah. I'd have put 3 LL's in it, but the reason why I used 2 LL's and a PPC was because it was mentioned that there's an extra increased heat from firing 3 Large's at once (i.e. over and above the usual heat from 3 individual LL's), so I didn't know which is better in terms of heat. However, I don't know (and don't want to go into) the maths behind which is hotter between a choice of "3LL's + the heat penalty" vs. "2 LL's and a PPC". Glad I wasn't losing my marbles with this concept, anyway.
Group the LL seperately. 2 in the arms for one group, CT for the second. No heat penalty. Moreover, they are increasing the base heat level of PPCs by one next patch, meaning 9 heat, splash damage and only one additional point of damage over a LL. If you can keep your aim steady (I just recently turned my mouse sensitivity down for this) a LL is a much better weapon. (IMHO) As long as you wait .5 seconds to fire the third LL, your heat will not be penalized. Also, chaining LL against a light becomes a psychological weapon. Constant barrage of blue light makes you want to bug out! Chatt.
Hi jadefalcon74, how about this version: It keeps your original Idea of the Mix of LRM10+LRM5 plus Laserpower. It also has ARTEMIS now (very important to strike hard with Missiles) AND instead XL Engine it has Standard Engine now (for Vergere, that XL Engine in Assaults Hater). By this i adjusted the Laserweapons to a way, where you dont break the Heat Penalty Rule while still having a good Punch (29 Alpha Damage), if you ever need to brawl with them at an acceptable Cool Efficiency (very important for Brawls!) to constantly fire (sustained DPS). I think, this helps to give a better Balance into your original build without going too much away from the original idea.. Alternative for more Range Power: Blagg p.s. if you like the build feel free to post it as an MKII Version of your build.
FIIIIINE. If you have to go with a STD engine, this is a great build. Excellent, sir. (stupid standards... grumble grumble)
Thanks for taking time to help me with this, everyone. I'll go with Cpt Chattahah's most recent version: 3 Large Lasers is a lot closer to what I was wanting. The other suggestions seem to be "mainly LRM's with some Lasers", whereas I was thinking of "mainly Lasers with some LRM's" (tired atm, so not sure if that makes a lot of sense? - lol). Again: thanks to all for your ideas though, I really appreciate them. JF1974
HA! LOOK! WE GOT HIM! BLAGG POSTED XL'S! I know the risk and totally understand most players wanting STD powerplants in their assaults. I'm just a glutton for punishment and want to be able to kick out as much death as I can before I die. Hence, I'm an XL whore. I know I'm the minority. Chatt.
