The build I am starting with is familiar in the current meta and working well so far. The XL doesn't seemed to have affected survivability too much and combined with the JJ makes this a pretty manoeuvrable mech. Heat is ok too. Lots of weapon groups for me however Group 1 All Weapons Group 2 Gauss Group 3 Left Weapons Group 4 Right Weapons Many will say the build is boring but it is solid, manoeuvrable and a great CBill earner so far. Gameplay video
I dont support more than two PPC's if its not in an Awesome. If i want 3 PPK's and a Gauss Rifle i use my Highlanders
Highlanders are slower and weigh more which is an issue if using a tonnage limited drop deck. The Dragon Slayer is much more agile which has its own advantages particularly with the new movement mechanics. Also with weapon spread out across the mech you can lose arms and still have a decent amount of firepower. Not "supporting more than 2 PPC's if it is not an Awesome" is that a personal thing about hating PPC boats or you don't think they are good in the current meta?
PPC's are great, but these days everyone just wants to strap on as many PPCS/gauss or a/c 20 as they can and call it good, no matter the mech. Honostly, its just gettin kinda old...just look at the dragon slayer builds on this site. 90% are PPC based. More than anything, oddly, i just get tired of hearing the same PPC cannon blast over n over. id claim this is coming from how powerful a weapon the PPC's are right now. Only way to really contend with them is to have em yourself.
You may not like PPC's and I agree that they are overpowered at the moment when boated but surely that is a discussion for the Game Balance part of the forum. The aim in the Mechlab is to create the most efficient mech builds against the current state of the game which at the moment sees most of the 4 and 8 man drop decks running PPC/Gauss builds on a wide variety of mechs. When the meta changes so will the builds. Therefore builds should be rated against their performance rather than a personal dislike of the current meta. I still find this build the most efficient in the current meta particularly in 4 and 8 man drop decks. As stated above it has advantages over the Highlanders in terms of speed, manoeuvrability and less tonnage. When you are tonnage limited that can make a big difference. That said it still does well in solo pug drops and I am just editing a video of a solo pug drop recorded yesterday. This should be up by tomorrow.
Agreed. This site is all about showing what is the best. This rating system that Michael has put in allows people to do that with their votes. This means we see what works and what doesn't. Just because someone doesn't like meta does not matter. I actually use this build on my Dragon Slayer although I have been switching between removing a ton of Gauss ammo and adding another jump jet if I am assigned to poptart.
OK first and foremost what i said was my opinion, just like each and every single one of yalls mech builds. YOU make like your build but others wont, that makes it opinion based and not fact based and as such stating my of dislike of PPCs and why is a valid response to a build. Just because i dont like the build and choose to put my input in doesnt mean that my opinion is invalid. If this site is dedicated to only responding when everyone agrees on all the exact same points then you will never achieve the truly great builds. NTM, its not realistic. [quote author=IqfishLP link=topic=1957.msg11585#msg11585 date=1372868576] I dont support more than two PPC's if its not in an Awesome. If i want 3 PPK's and a Gauss Rifle i use my Highlanders [/quote] He made his comment on this very same topic and no one called him on his opinion saying his opinion doesnt matter. [quote author=Jacob Ling link=topic=1957.msg12099#msg12099 date=1373273303] Agreed. This site is all about showing what is the best. This rating system that Michael has put in allows people to do that with their votes. This means we see what works and what doesn't. Just because someone doesn't like meta does not matter.[/quote] the "best." purely objective opinion. o wait....your opinion doesnt matter according to your logic to so please leave it out of the topic. "Best" in my world is not masses of PPCs. When i PuG drop and see that 7/8 of my team is all rocking PPCs and nuthing but them, the game is broken on certain levels. No one Gun should be as powerful and capable as the PPC is right now. God forbid i make a comment on it and disagree with yall. [quote author=Athariel link=topic=1957.msg12096#msg12096 date=1373271878] You may not like PPC's and I agree that they are overpowered at the moment when boated but surely that is a discussion for the Game Balance part of the forum. The aim in the Mechlab is to create the most efficient mech builds against the current state of the game which at the moment sees most of the 4 and 8 man drop decks running PPC/Gauss builds on a wide variety of mechs. When the meta changes so will the builds. Therefore builds should be rated against their performance rather than a personal dislike of the current meta. [/quote] "efficient" is also relevant. Running mass weapons that overheat the crap out my mech i dont deem as "efficient." This argument also makes it sound like you only care about doing what everyone else is doing and have no real input for yourself from a different stand point and only care about what nets you the most kills. what happened to fun? what happened to actually discussing the mech and disagreeing on a mech and coming up with why you actually run this build? If you dont have a "bad" side there is no "good" side. If we can only talk about everything we agree on, then this is becoming a dictatorship, not a forum to post IDEAS that are MEANT to get OPINIONS. please, [REDACTED] grow a pair so you can handle a different perspective. Also, given that this is michael's site, he, and only he, can decide what can and can't get posted into the forums. And until he tells me i over-stepped my bounds, i will continue to post my opinions whether you agree with them or not.
Everyone; grow some thicker skin. One phrase was redacted due to one word being an issue to a user. Fixed. Nothing to see here move along and stay on topic please. Thank you!! Come again.
Never wanted to annoy somebody, it's just my opinion. The Awesome was made for PPC-Boating and it has other problems than heat management, we all know that. Maybe that build runs good for you, but I want a balanced game full of variety and this is not the case right now due to large energy weapon + gauss boating. Use what ever you desire to use, just please try to understand my POV
Well, this place is about building the most powerful mech under the current system, cheese or not. Simply put, things like the lore or kindness or being does are not our concern when we are designing mechs. It is about min/max, and the most effective way of creating a mech setup for the purpose in mind, be it grinding, cbills, pugs, group-play, or just laying the smack down on your poor targets. So we are not building a happy balanced mech here, but to build overpowering monsters as best as we can. Mechs are for war, and war is not about being nice, that is for MLP.
With the patch including the heat penalty I no longer use this build. I will post my new build and gameplay video soon.
Until the next patch hits on the penalties PPC and ER PPC are in separate pools. So replacing one of your PPC with ERPPC would solve your problem.
The problem is I am looking for a longer term fix as there is a fixed date when this will also not be viable due to the linking of PPC and ER PPC into the heat stacking penalty. This build is still viable if hanging back but I feel with the heat stacking penalty this is not the most efficient and certainly isn't as efficient as HGN 732 with 3 PPC 1 Gauss, which seems to be finding its way back into 8 man drop decks working alongside 3D's.
